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Entry 952 — Pronouncements & Blither, Part 13

Friday, December 14th, 2012

First of all, something I posted at Argotist Online: “Here’s a good discussion point: why are poets so unwilling to discuss poetry on the Internet? Do they discuss it in some length elsewhere? Perhaps they do like talking about it, but not where what they say will become part of a permanent record?”

Another: ““Is it possible for someone whose poetry is at the level of Pound’s or Yeats’s to publish his poetry anywhere more than a few will see it? Or have it intelligently reviewed in a publication reaching more than a hundred readers?”

Next, a corrected version of something I said in my last entry: “A poem is good in proportion to the ratio of the (unified) largeness of the beauty it evokes for its best engagents to the size of the poem.”

Finally, a work from Marton Koppany’s latest collection, Addenda–which I’m not yet ready to say anything about except that it’s terrific:

Addenda, by the way, is as certainly a major collection of poetry by a living author as any other collection I’ve seen in the past forty years.

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Entry 1652 — 2 Laxian Repeater-Stack Poems

Friday, December 5th, 2014

I was having a great time commenting on an article in yesterday’s issue of the online magazine, Aeon, then pasting my comments, with further comments into this entry when my computer managed to lose one of my comments at Aeon and everything I had written here–in spite of my having remembered twice to save what I had here.  So I’m in a sour mood now, and just posted a poem I just composed followed by Marton Koppany’s preliminary Hungarian translation not of it, but of my first draft of it:

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Note: according to the translator of my poem, a person’s first name in Hungarian is not first.  I think that only half explains the problems with Hungarians, however.  –BG

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Entry 1539 — Koppany to the Rescue, Once Again

Friday, August 15th, 2014

This time it isn’t my deadness of brain that is making posting something here difficult but all the work I have to do with emails concerned with yesterday’s announcement.  So I’m again grabbing something by Marton Koppany to take care of an entry.  It’s called “Seer”:

Seer

Keep in mind that it is a Koppanaical ellipsis, so strongly implies an unending string of lenses . . .  (That’s why I regard it as a pretty good likeness of ME.)
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Entry 1534 — “Question For”

Sunday, August 10th, 2014

Those of you have have been more or less regular visitors to this blog will know at once who made the image below:

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When its author (Marton Koppany, for those of you not regular visitors here), sent a copy of it to me yesterday, I wrote back: “I had my usual reaction to your piece: I laughed.  Then I grew thoughtful . . . and have remained in that state every since.  If I ever come out of it, I’m going to post your piece in my blog–with sixteen different interpretations, all contradicting each other.”

He replied, “That is exactly what I meant, Bob!!!”  Which takes care of the matter.  Except that I want to point out that the swirly cursive question mark was almost certainly powerfully influenced by MY use of visiopoetically-expressive cursiveness, and everything else in his work is secondary.

For those of you not regularly here, and perhaps some who are, the above was me being hilariously funny about my tendency to over-estimate myself.  Actually, visiopoetically-expressive cursiveness was around long before I used it, and I suspect Marton used it before seeing my cursive pieces.  I like to think he may have thought to fool around with it after thinking about a piece of mine he’s due to use in the issue of Truck he’ll be guest-editing in, I believe, October.  In any case, he uses it brilliantly here to show what seems a quite ppersonal (because hand-written) question unable to complete itself because somehow too inept to know where to aim itself to find an answer.  Yet in greater and greater awkward loops it tries to.

Meanwhile, the ellipsis . . .  Unbegun answers to the uncompleted question . . .  (Note: in the world of Koppellipsia, any trio of objects resembling dots in any way should be taken as an ellipsis.)
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Entry 1526 — Something of Marton’s Again

Saturday, August 2nd, 2014

Curve

I stole it from Halvard Johnson’s highly interesting Facebook page.  A meeting of Plato and Actuality.  The backgraound I first thought consisted of ocean waves, but later decided were clouds, or maybe flames.  That they are really all three is part of the fascination of the piece.  I don’t know what it’s title but I suspect Marton will tell us, if it has one.  His pieces usually do.  I count him a Kleeic Titludical (TIGHT loo dihk ul) Poem-Expander, as I try to be.  Or should I call him simply “titulyrical?”

My try at a title: “Reason Urging on its Sensory Subjects,” or “Apollo Supervises Some of his Dionysian Subjects.”  No good–Not subtle enough. Maybe just “A Generality.”

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Entry 1236 — “from The Adventures of Munchausen”

Monday, October 7th, 2013

Here’s the poem I received from Marton a day or two ago.  I had hoped to provide you with A Full Discourse on it, but am in–not my null zone, but the slightly different cerebrotomized zone.  Can’t get the thinker gears engaged.  I will provide one comment on the poem, though.  Pay attention: it is a terrific poem!

from The Adventures of Munchausen

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Entry 1123 — Guest Appearance

Monday, June 17th, 2013

One good thing that happened as a result of my recent foolery with an ellipsis is this from Marton Koppany, which he calls, “Hunch–for Bob”:

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Meanwhile, I revised my ellipsis poem yet again.  I believe I am now done with it:

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Entry 1026 — “The Last Ellipsis”

Tuesday, February 26th, 2013

I’ve been putting together another of my columns for Small Press Review.  Half of it is devoted to Marton Koppany’s Addenda, from which I took the piece below, “The Last Ellipsis.

 

I didn’t have room to be brilliant about it in my column, so brought it here.  I won’t tell you what word it contains three writings of, just that the cursive does spell a word, one whose obviousness is a main reason the work is as funny as it is.  It’s a tricky puzzle, but–solved–tells you what’s what almost stupidly.  It shows you what’s what, too, in the process doing quite a bit more than what it tells you it’s doing, if you think–and feel–a proper way into its tile, for look at the ellipsis’s final sad struggle; reflect on its inability to state itself in some formal font.  Beyond that, though, consider how barely it expresses itself–not showing itself as it is, but only weakly describing itself with abstract words.  Alone, cut off from whatever it may have helping die into nothingness.  BUT NOT GIVING UP!  LEAVING PROOF THAT IT WAS HERE!

(Note, a primary reason I like Marton’s poems as much as I do is because of how much they make one think–but only after, and along with, how effectively they make you feel, both sensually and emotionally.)

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Entry 985 — One More Odd Thing About Me

Wednesday, January 16th, 2013

No matter how unable I feel to write anything intelligent I seem always confident that I can write something hilariously funny.  Why would that be, I wonder?  The automatic laughter that almost always ensues when I say anything in public?  Be that as it may, the subject allows me to introduce Marton’s latest:

When I received a copy of this earlier today, I immediately displayed my wit by responding, “Most amusing piece, but I must correct it! “INSURANCE” on the left should be printed in reverse.
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Linguahohenprofessor Grumman
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Marton replied, “It is not a mirror image, it is a pair of stamps. :-)” this inciting the following (which the dose of caffeine I had by then taken was partly to blame for):
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“Gad (sputter), how tedious it is to have to explain things to poets! Of course (sputter) it’s a pair of stamps, my dear student–but one is the mirror image of the other, yes?
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Of course, I hold the patent on reversed letters, so will require a royalty fee. The critical advice is free . . . this time.
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(Note: I visualize legions of future poetry students taking sides in the matter of the Great Poetics Split between Grumman and Koppany that took place early in 2013, eventually culminating in a war between Florida and Hungary—Hungary supporting Grumman, Florida Koppany.)
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Marton hasn’t yet fired back.  When he has, I’ll let him have the last word and post this.
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Ah, and here it is: “You have much better chanches in Hungary, indeed, Bob, because you’ve become here a well-known poet ans essayist thanks to the translations of … (I don’t remember his name. Unless he was called Ellipsis.)

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“And no, the stamps are not mirror images of each other. Please take a closer look and you will see that the perforations in the middle (the black dots) are not symmetrical. The rubber stamp is assymetrical too. It is fully handmade!!! :-)
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“Anyway, If I get any fee on it, I’ll use it to get back to Florida and try to convince you in this important matter in person. It will be easier because my pronounciation will be a Big Help.”
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Entry 952 — Pronouncements & Blither, Part 13

Friday, December 14th, 2012

First of all, something I posted at Argotist Online: “Here’s a good discussion point: why are poets so unwilling to discuss poetry on the Internet? Do they discuss it in some length elsewhere? Perhaps they do like talking about it, but not where what they say will become part of a permanent record?”

Another: ““Is it possible for someone whose poetry is at the level of Pound’s or Yeats’s to publish his poetry anywhere more than a few will see it? Or have it intelligently reviewed in a publication reaching more than a hundred readers?”

Next, a corrected version of something I said in my last entry: “A poem is good in proportion to the ratio of the (unified) largeness of the beauty it evokes for its best engagents to the size of the poem.”

Finally, a work from Marton Koppany’s latest collection, Addenda–which I’m not yet ready to say anything about except that it’s terrific:

Addenda, by the way, is as certainly a major collection of poetry by a living author as any other collection I’ve seen in the past forty years.

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Entry 820 — “Still Life”

Saturday, August 4th, 2012

Something by Marton Koppany today, “Still Life”:


Works like these are what are going to make choosing works for discussion in my scientific American guest blog very difficult. Is it mathematical? Is it a poem? It shows the process of counting, or trying to count, so I think it just slips into the rubric, “mathematics.” It’s purty, so it’s art. Numerals are words, so it is verbal, and since these words are not proseated (my ad hoc term for lineation set by margins which I doubt I’ll again use), it’s a poem. In any case, I’m going to try my best to cover as many kinds of works as I can in the guest blog.
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Entry 618 — “Hungarian Vispo No. 2″ « POETICKS

Entry 618 — “Hungarian Vispo No. 2″

Marton Koppany’s latest visual poem may be the gentlest satire on a country’s government ever, if I’m interpreting it correctly. Note the boot on the head of one of the country’s citizens, for instance–and the complete insanity of the country the cloud with an umbrella suggests. Much more is going on that I’ll let you discover without help.

Hungarian Vispo No. 2

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Entry 436 — Visual Poetry Intro 1a « POETICKS

Entry 436 — Visual Poetry Intro 1a

According to Billy Collins, E. E. Cummings is, in large part, responsible for the multitude of k-12 poems about leaves or snow

But, guess what, involvement in visual poetry has to begin somewhere.  Beyond that, this particular somewhere, properly appreciated, is a wonderful where to begin at.  Just consider what is going on when a child first encounters, or–better–makes this poem:  suddenly his mindflow splits in two, one half continuing to read, the other watching what he’s reading descend.  For a short while he is thus simultaneously in two parts of his brain, his reading center and visual awareness.  That is, the simple falling letters have put him in the Manywhere-at-Once  I claim is the most valuable thing a poem can take one to.

To a jaundiced adult who no longer remembers the thrill letters doing something visual can be, as he no longer remembers the thrill the first rhymes he heard were, that may not mean much.  But to those lucky enough to have been able to use the experience as a basis for eventually appreciating adult visual poetry, it’s a different story.  Some of those who haven’t may never be able to, for it would appear that some people can’t experience anything in two parts of their brains at once, just as there are people like me who lack the taste buds required to appreciate different varieties of wine.  I’m sure there are others who have never enjoyed visual poetry simply because they’ve never made any effort to.  It is those this essay is aimed at, with the hope it will change their minds about the art.

I need to add, I suppose, that my notion that a person encountering a successful visual poem will end up in two significantly separate portions of his brain is only my theory.  It may well be that it could be tested if the scanning technology is sophisticated enough–and the technicians doing the testing know enough about visual poetry to use the right poems, and the subjects haven’t become immune to the visual effects of the poems due to having seen them too often.  Certainly, eventually my theory will be testable.

The following poem by Cummings, which is a famous variation on the falling letters device, should help them:

But Cummings uses the device much more subtly and complicatedly–  one reads it slowly, back and forth as well as down, without comprehending it at once.   Cummings doesn’t just show us the leaf, either, he uses it to portray loneliness.  For later reading/watchings we have the fun of the three versions of one-ness at the end and the af/fa flip earlier–after the one that starts the poem.

Marton Koppany returns to the same simple falling leaf idea but makes it new with:


In this poem the F suggests to me  a tree thrust almost entirely out of Significant Reality, which has become “all leaves”–framed, I might add, to emphasize the point.  So: as soon as we begin reading, our reading becomes a viewing of a frame followed quickly by the sight of the path now fallen leaves have taken simultaneously with our resumed reading of the text.  Which ends with a wondrous conceptual indication of “the all” that those leaves archetypally are in the life of the earth, and in our own lives.  And that the tree, their mother and relinquisher, has been.  Finally, it is evident that we are witnessing that ” all” in the process of leaving . . . to empty the world.  In short, the archetypal magnitude of one of the four seasons has been captured with almost maximal succinctness.

So endeth lesson number one in this lecture on Why Visual Poetry is a Good Thing.

Note: I need to add, I suppose, that my notion that a person encountering a successful visual poem will end up in two significantly separate portions of his brain is only my theory.  It may well be that it could be tested if the brain- scanning technology is sophisticated enough–and the technicians doing the testing use the right poems, and the subjects haven’t become immune to the visual effects of the poems due to having seen them too often.  Certainly, eventually my theory will be testable.

2 Responses to “Entry 436 — Visual Poetry Intro 1a”

  1. endwar says:

    Hmmm . . . . all leaves in fall.

    Was this one of the response to Dan Waber’s “Fall leaves” project?

    – endwar

  2. Bob Grumman says:

    I’m away from the files in my main computer so can only tell you it was a response to one project of Dan’s, probably the one you mention. Not sure, though, It had to do with work by bp Nichol, though.

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Entry 535 — My Latest Variation on a Work by Koppany « POETICKS

Entry 535 — My Latest Variation on a Work by Koppany

Today I’m getting work done on the little chapbook I’m publishing of Marton Koppany’s The Reader.  One of its pages, tentatively is the one below, without the extra instances of “change.”  They are my additions, which I impulsively added because I thought them terribly clever and witty.  As a variation by Me, certainly not to be included in the book.  Adequate to fill an entry I would have trouble filling otherwise.  And it will give Marton an idea of what I’m doing to his poor manuscript (i.e., what I’m doing to crowd its lines so the book will be affordably short to publish.

 

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Note: I rarely encounter anything by Marton that I don’t want to do some variation on.   I’m sure I’ve done more than five or six, maybe as many as ten.  I think one or two have been not completely lame.
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Entry 547 — A Cover « POETICKS

Entry 547 — A Cover

Here’s the front cover for the latest Runaway Spoon Press publication. Available at either doorway into my house at 1708 Hayworth Road in Port Charlotte, Florida, for $5.

I’m feeling okay, but still a little groggy from yesterday–the anaesthesia, I now think.

 

 

 

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Entry 402 — Three Ellipses « POETICKS

Entry 402 — Three Ellipses

These are all from my previous blog.  The top one is “Ellipsis No. 10,” by Marton Koppany.  The second is my variation on that, and the third a second variation on it by me.   There here partly because, again, I could not come up with anything else to post, and partly because today I finished buying bus tickets to and from Jacksonville, Florida, where I’ll be visiting with Marton Saturday, 2 April.  Anyone who’ll also be there then, let me know.  Especially if you have a bed I can sleep in on Friday!

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One Response to “Entry 402 — Three Ellipses”

  1. marton koppany says:

    Thanks for posting these, Bob!

    Hopefully see you soon,
    Marton

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Entry 183 — Another by Marton « POETICKS

Entry 183 — Another by Marton

So I can’t get this entry quickly out of the way and try to get into my next column for Small Press Review, in a couple of weeks (and because I really like it!), here’s Marton Koppany’s “Arrival”:

He, like Geof Huth, is another Klee, and I have higher compliment than that (although I have a few equal compliments, like “another Pollock”).

One Response to “Entry 183 — Another by Marton”

  1. Marton Koppany says:

    Thank you so much for your encouragement, Bob! It means a lot!
    (I’ve just read your entry. I was out of town /and without internet connection/ for five days from Sunday.

    All the very best,
    Marton

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