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		<title>Comment on Entry 213 &#8212; More Really Intellectual Chatter by Bob Grumman</title>
		<link>http://poeticks.com/2010/09/06/entry-213/comment-page-1/#comment-2204</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Grumman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 10:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad someone&#039;s out there visiting this site, Kaz, but not sure what &quot;the ones&quot; you speak of are?  Age is definitely slowing me down.

--Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad someone&#8217;s out there visiting this site, Kaz, but not sure what &#8220;the ones&#8221; you speak of are?  Age is definitely slowing me down.</p>
<p>&#8211;Bob</p>
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		<title>Comment on Entry 213 &#8212; More Really Intellectual Chatter by Kaz Maslanka</title>
		<link>http://poeticks.com/2010/09/06/entry-213/comment-page-1/#comment-2199</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaz Maslanka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 05:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the ones that mother gives you doesn&#039;t do anything at all.
:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the ones that mother gives you doesn&#8217;t do anything at all.<br />
 <img src='http://poeticks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Entry 198 &#8212; The Kelly Writers House by Al Filreis</title>
		<link>http://poeticks.com/2010/08/22/entry-198-the-kelly-writers-house/comment-page-1/#comment-1767</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Filreis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I wrote to Bob when he replied by email by sending the text above, he&#039;s assuming that we are a mainstream Big Name venue, which we&#039;re not at all. Here&#039;s what I wrote in reply:

&#039;I&#039;m on the road so this reply will be too brief. Sorry! KWH Fellows is our only &quot;big name&quot; program. We host 100s of others and in those really reach out. We have a program, now in its 3rd year, whereby we give young artists subsidized housing and an affiliation with us, etc. A real &quot;fellow&quot; position. Generally we don&#039;t provide much in the way of honoraria but we try. We&#039;ve gotten some funding from arts foundations but not much; mostly we try to operate on funds given  us by individual donors.&#039;

Here is our list of collaborators:

http://writing.upenn.edu/wh/people/collaborations.php

And here is our list of featured visitors:

http://writing.upenn.edu/wh/people/visitors/

- Al</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I wrote to Bob when he replied by email by sending the text above, he&#8217;s assuming that we are a mainstream Big Name venue, which we&#8217;re not at all. Here&#8217;s what I wrote in reply:</p>
<p>&#8216;I&#8217;m on the road so this reply will be too brief. Sorry! KWH Fellows is our only &#8220;big name&#8221; program. We host 100s of others and in those really reach out. We have a program, now in its 3rd year, whereby we give young artists subsidized housing and an affiliation with us, etc. A real &#8220;fellow&#8221; position. Generally we don&#8217;t provide much in the way of honoraria but we try. We&#8217;ve gotten some funding from arts foundations but not much; mostly we try to operate on funds given  us by individual donors.&#8217;</p>
<p>Here is our list of collaborators:</p>
<p><a href="http://writing.upenn.edu/wh/people/collaborations.php" rel="nofollow">http://writing.upenn.edu/wh/people/collaborations.php</a></p>
<p>And here is our list of featured visitors:</p>
<p><a href="http://writing.upenn.edu/wh/people/visitors/" rel="nofollow">http://writing.upenn.edu/wh/people/visitors/</a></p>
<p>- Al</p>
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		<title>Comment on Entry 195 &#8212; A little Whining by Marton Koppany</title>
		<link>http://poeticks.com/2010/08/19/entry-195/comment-page-1/#comment-1717</link>
		<dc:creator>Marton Koppany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 07:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,
I wish you Twelve Happy Months with One Major Happiness - and more!!! (I&#039;m a minimalist perhaps, but not a doctrinaire one.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,<br />
I wish you Twelve Happy Months with One Major Happiness &#8211; and more!!! (I&#8217;m a minimalist perhaps, but not a doctrinaire one.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Entry 195 &#8212; A little Whining by Connie Tettenborn</title>
		<link>http://poeticks.com/2010/08/19/entry-195/comment-page-1/#comment-1710</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie Tettenborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never had a major happiness?? What about the first time you had something published? And didn&#039;t a museum purchase one of your more visual long division poems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never had a major happiness?? What about the first time you had something published? And didn&#8217;t a museum purchase one of your more visual long division poems?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Entry 184 &#8212; More Nothingnesses by Bob Grumman</title>
		<link>http://poeticks.com/2010/08/09/entry-184-more-nothingnesses/comment-page-1/#comment-1572</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Grumman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 10:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was referring to the work of mine mixing math and words that I call an aphorism and others might argue is a poem.  For me, it is not art.  I agree that mathematics by itself is never art.  Mixed with words, it can be.

Is math culture-less?  Well, it depends on what you mean by &quot;culture.&quot;  I define culture (loosely) as pretty much everything human beings do beyond surviving and reproducing.  Science, art, sports, games, philosophy, religion . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was referring to the work of mine mixing math and words that I call an aphorism and others might argue is a poem.  For me, it is not art.  I agree that mathematics by itself is never art.  Mixed with words, it can be.</p>
<p>Is math culture-less?  Well, it depends on what you mean by &#8220;culture.&#8221;  I define culture (loosely) as pretty much everything human beings do beyond surviving and reproducing.  Science, art, sports, games, philosophy, religion . . .</p>
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		<title>Comment on Entry 184 &#8212; More Nothingnesses by Kaz Maslanka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaz Maslanka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t take mathematics as art - I personally draw the line at culture. Math is culture-less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t take mathematics as art &#8211; I personally draw the line at culture. Math is culture-less.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Entry 182 &#8212; &#8220;Dash No. 1,&#8221; by Koppany by Marton Koppany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marton Koppany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for your words, Nico! (I&#039;ve just come home from vacation and read your comment.) The two pieces on the two sides of the dash are identical: they&#039;re the image of an iceberg, taken from the internet. I&#039;d had a certain idea, and needed an iceberg for it. But I hadn&#039;t guessed beforehand that they would look like a pair of shoes. I&#039;m always in a dialogue with the &quot;material&quot;. This time the &quot;material&quot; really surprised me, and it took the initiative. The second surprise came from 
&quot;Magic Wand&quot; (of a simple image editor software). I wanted to insert a piece of mountain-like negative space (made of sky) between the two icebergs, but I did something wrong, and had to realize that the edges of the sky are &quot;thawing&quot; - in complete synchrony with the icebergs. (My original idea got an extra confirmation, which was stronger than mine.) I didn&#039;t touch the image from that point on. DASH is the base of a mountain-like (and already thawing) negative space between two disappearing icebergs which are identical with each other. And the shoes belong together, and the negative space is their wearer. There&#039;s no separate place or time for the thought &quot;between&quot; the two other thoughts. They &quot;happen&quot; at the very same moment and belong together. 

Or something like that. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for your words, Nico! (I&#8217;ve just come home from vacation and read your comment.) The two pieces on the two sides of the dash are identical: they&#8217;re the image of an iceberg, taken from the internet. I&#8217;d had a certain idea, and needed an iceberg for it. But I hadn&#8217;t guessed beforehand that they would look like a pair of shoes. I&#8217;m always in a dialogue with the &#8220;material&#8221;. This time the &#8220;material&#8221; really surprised me, and it took the initiative. The second surprise came from<br />
&#8220;Magic Wand&#8221; (of a simple image editor software). I wanted to insert a piece of mountain-like negative space (made of sky) between the two icebergs, but I did something wrong, and had to realize that the edges of the sky are &#8220;thawing&#8221; &#8211; in complete synchrony with the icebergs. (My original idea got an extra confirmation, which was stronger than mine.) I didn&#8217;t touch the image from that point on. DASH is the base of a mountain-like (and already thawing) negative space between two disappearing icebergs which are identical with each other. And the shoes belong together, and the negative space is their wearer. There&#8217;s no separate place or time for the thought &#8220;between&#8221; the two other thoughts. They &#8220;happen&#8221; at the very same moment and belong together. </p>
<p>Or something like that. <img src='http://poeticks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Entry 183 &#8212; Another by Marton by Marton Koppany</title>
		<link>http://poeticks.com/2010/08/08/entry-183/comment-page-1/#comment-1522</link>
		<dc:creator>Marton Koppany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for your encouragement, Bob! It means a lot!
(I&#039;ve just read your entry. I was out of town /and without internet connection/ for five days from Sunday.

All the very best,
Marton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for your encouragement, Bob! It means a lot!<br />
(I&#8217;ve just read your entry. I was out of town /and without internet connection/ for five days from Sunday.</p>
<p>All the very best,<br />
Marton</p>
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		<title>Comment on Entry 184 &#8212; More Nothingnesses by Bob Grumman</title>
		<link>http://poeticks.com/2010/08/09/entry-184-more-nothingnesses/comment-page-1/#comment-1519</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Grumman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Kaz.  I pretty much agree with you about the difference between you and me as mathematical poets except that I&#039;d phrase it slightly differently: I think we&#039;re both interested in the metaphor, but you prefer metaphors about ideas, I about sensual images.

As for Jesse&#039;s comments, haiku are aphorisms the same way sonnets are essays.  If you want to taxonomize, as I do, you have to decide which a thing &lt;i&gt;most&lt;/i&gt; is, not just clump everything together.  I feel my mathematical text here is much more a statement of opinion than an attempt to express beauty.  If we take it as art, what can&#039;t we take as art?

all best, Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Kaz.  I pretty much agree with you about the difference between you and me as mathematical poets except that I&#8217;d phrase it slightly differently: I think we&#8217;re both interested in the metaphor, but you prefer metaphors about ideas, I about sensual images.</p>
<p>As for Jesse&#8217;s comments, haiku are aphorisms the same way sonnets are essays.  If you want to taxonomize, as I do, you have to decide which a thing <i>most</i> is, not just clump everything together.  I feel my mathematical text here is much more a statement of opinion than an attempt to express beauty.  If we take it as art, what can&#8217;t we take as art?</p>
<p>all best, Bob</p>
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