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		<title>Entry 718 &#8212; Something by Marilyn</title>
		<link>http://poeticks.com/2012/04/24/entry-718/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 04:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bob Grumman</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[From My Poetry Workshop]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Marilyn R. Rosenberg]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Visual Poetry Specimen]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[The inconcision of the snow&#8217;s translation of the day was middling me deeply into wanly incorrect answers to questions about where to drain the line.  The sun is always somewhere, angry.  Too many misspelled birds, speckling the past. Hey, here&#8217;s something for misspelled eyes and brains: a work by Marilyn Rosenberg at Amanda Earl&#8217;s National [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">The inconcision of the snow&#8217;s translation of the day was middling me deeply into wanly incorrect answers to questions about where to drain the line.  The sun is always somewhere, angry.  Too many misspelled birds, speckling the past.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Hey, here&#8217;s something for misspelled eyes and brains: <a href="http://www.nationalpoetrymonth.ca/index.php?id=23"> a work by Marilyn Rosenberg at Amanda Earl&#8217;s National Poetry Month Site</a>.</p>
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		<title>Entry 698 &#8212; An E.Mail from South America</title>
		<link>http://poeticks.com/2012/03/28/entry-698/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 04:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bob Grumman</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Terminology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[visual poetry]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[Desparate once again for something to blog about, I&#8217;m reporting today on an e.mail I got a little while ago from Jorge Dear Bob Grumman I hope you are fine. While reading Writing To Be Seen, I came across your concept of visio-textual art and found it interesting in order to include in my postdoctoral [...]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Desparate once again for something to blog about, I&#8217;m reporting today on an e.mail I got a little while ago from Jorge</p>
<blockquote><p>Dear Bob Grumman</p>
<p>I hope you are fine.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">While reading <em>Writing To Be Seen</em>, I came across your concept of visio-textual art and found it interesting in order to include in my postdoctoral research report. In <em>Permutoria: Visio-Textual Art</em>, the same term and concept appeared. I have bought these books when I was in the II Avant Writing Symposium held in Columbus, Ohio, where I met Crag Hill, Nico Vassilakis, John M. Bennett, Miekal And, and many others. It was a great meeting. It was a pity you couldn´t come, for it was an opportunity to meet and talk with you.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">I would like you to send a copy of the text of yours where you explain your concept of visual-text art. The explanation in <em>Writing to be seen</em> is not complete.<br />
Best regards from Brazil</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">I answered quickly. (I&#8217;m pretty good about quick answers to questions about visual poetry.)</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">&#8220;Nice hearing from you again, Jorge!&#8221; said I. (We&#8217;d talked a bit about visual poetry over the Internet before.) &#8220;Yes, I wish I could have been at the symposium in Columbus—I would have enjoyed meeting you.  And seeing Nico in person for the first time, although he’s an old friend.  I’ll try to find where I’ve discussed “visio-textual art and e.mail it to you.  It may take a while because I am not well-organized and I have discussed it and related terms in various places.</p>
<div style="text-align: left;">&#8220;Actually, though, my own definition of it is simple: it is any work of art that contains both textual matter and matter that is wholly visual.  By &#8216;wholly visual,&#8217; I mean not visual merely in the way a conventional poem is since we must see it to read it, but in the way an image of a rose is.  It’s not an important term for me, except to emphasize my belief that &#8216;visual poetry&#8217; is not a good name for anything with both textual matter, which can be non-verbal, and visual matter because it is too inclusive to be effective, and goes against the tradition of poetry for thousands of years as something containing words.</div>
<p style="text-align: left;">&#8220;Feel free to ask for clarification or whatever else you may need.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Yes, this is my standard boilerplate, but I harp on it because no one else seems to take it seriously. Visual poets don&#8217;t like narrowing terms; the academy would agree with me if they paid any attention at all to visual poetry.<br />
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		<title>Entry 685 &#8212; Education Way III</title>
		<link>http://poeticks.com/2012/03/15/entry-65/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 04:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bob Grumman</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Autobiographica]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mathematical Poetry Specimen]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Visual Poetry Specimen]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[Here are the last of the photographs of my current exhibition, finishing with a view from the end of it back to where one comes in, to the left at the other end:      &#160;   &#160;   &#160;   &#160;   . Zales Jewelry Store]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">Here are the last of the photographs of my current exhibition, finishing with a view from the end of it back to where one comes in, to the left at the other end: </p>
<p style="text-align: left;"> </p>
<p><a href="http://poeticks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/LaftHallB01small.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-8139" title="LaftHallB01small" src="http://poeticks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/LaftHallB01small-1024x681.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="299" /></a><br />
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		<title>Entry 684 &#8212; Education Way II</title>
		<link>http://poeticks.com/2012/03/14/entry-684/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 04:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bob Grumman</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Autobiographica]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some photographs of the works in my current exhibition: . Wyndham Hotel and Resort]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some photographs of the works in my current exhibition:</p>
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		<title>Entry 678 &#8212; Koppanized Thunder &amp; Moonlight</title>
		<link>http://poeticks.com/2012/03/08/entry-678/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 05:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bob Grumman</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Marton Koppany]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Visual Poetry Specimen]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[My trifle the other day inspired Marton Koppany to come up with something (to me) much more interesting: &#8220;Distant Thunder, Sentient Moonlight,&#8221; he calls it, using all my words, which means I can sue him for every cent of the millions he makes from the poem&#8211;except copyrights don&#8217;t cover minimalist poems . . . or [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">My trifle the other day inspired Marton Koppany to come up with something (to me) much more interesting:</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><a href="http://poeticks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Distant-Thunder-Sentient-Moonlight.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-8055" title="Distant Thunder, Sentient Moonlight" src="http://poeticks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Distant-Thunder-Sentient-Moonlight-300x199.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="199" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">&#8220;Distant Thunder, Sentient Moonlight,&#8221; he calls it, using all my words, which means I can sue him for every cent of the millions he makes from the poem&#8211;except copyrights don&#8217;t cover minimalist poems . . . or titles!  Phooey.  Anyway, he sent me his poem at a good time: once again, I wasn&#8217;t sure what to put in my latest danged entry. </p>
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		<title>Entry 667 &#8212; Re: &#8220;Revelation&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://poeticks.com/2012/02/26/entry-667/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 05:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bob Grumman</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[Infraverbal Poetry Specimen]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#8217;s little to say about the above except that I consider it a joke that can be taken to thoughts quite deep once you&#8217;ve carefully examined it. A hint to solve it, written in reverse so you won&#8217;t accidentally see it and miss the fun of solving it without help: drow a rof kool. . [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;"><a href="http://poeticks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Revelation2.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-7934" title="Revelation" src="http://poeticks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Revelation2-e1330125082595.jpg" alt="" width="488" height="605" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">There&#8217;s little to say about the above except that I consider it a joke that can be taken to thoughts quite deep once you&#8217;ve carefully examined it.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">A hint to solve it, written in reverse so you won&#8217;t accidentally see it and miss the fun of solving it without help: drow a rof kool.</p>
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		<title>Entry 666 &#8212; Some Boilerplate from Me on the Value of Criticism.</title>
		<link>http://poeticks.com/2012/02/25/entry-666/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 05:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bob Grumman</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[Miscellaneous Literary Thoughts]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s a quotation from Randall Jarrell that I completely disagree with: &#8220;Remember . . . that criticism is no more than (and no less than) the helpful remarks and the thoughtful and disinterested judgment of a reader, a loving and experienced and able reader, but only a reader. . . &#8220;  I say a great [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">Here&#8217;s a quotation from Randall Jarrell that I completely disagree with: &#8220;Remember . . . that criticism is no more than (and no less than) the helpful remarks and the thoughtful and disinterested judgment of a reader, a loving and experienced and able reader, but only a reader. . . &#8220;  I say a great critic of a poem about daffodils, say, equals the creator of the poem&#8211;why should something brilliant about a poem about daffodils not be as valuable as something brilliant about daffodils?  I find Eliot the critic as worth reading as Eliot the Poet; Ditto Coleridge.  Hayden is as worth reading as most poets though not himself a poet.  I&#8217;m afraid I don&#8217;t think much of Jarrell as either a poet or critic.  I. A. Richards was a top-drawer critic, but not quite that as a poet&#8211;I vaguely remember that he wrote poetry, but I&#8217;m not sure of it.  William Empson&#8217;s criticism impresses me much more than his poetry.    Cleanth Brooks is an under-rated critic but not a poet.  Northrop Frye is another first-line critic who wrote no poetry that I know of.  Their names will last longer than a lot of poets once widley honored.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Bonus (which I will comment on tomorrow&#8211;and, yes, it is&#8211;among other things&#8211;a puzzle-poem):</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><a href="http://poeticks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Revelation2.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-7934" title="Revelation" src="http://poeticks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Revelation2-e1330125082595.jpg" alt="" width="488" height="605" /></a></p>
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		<title>Entry 653 &#8212; A Response to Hal Johnson&#8217;s Poem</title>
		<link>http://poeticks.com/2012/02/12/entry-653/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bob Grumman</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Hal Johnson]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[  Here&#8217;s Hal Johnson&#8217;s visio-infraverbal poem again:  &#8221;Lost in thought&#8221; is the simplest explication of this, but a better reading focuses on thought that is opposed, disrupted, damaged and finally sent in the wrong direction back to its futile beginning.  With &#8220;ugh&#8221; and &#8220;tough&#8221; being disconcealed in the process further to suggest the losing struggle for meaning expressed.   In short, [...]]]></description>
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<p>Here&#8217;s Hal Johnson&#8217;s visio-infraverbal poem again:<strong><a href="http://poeticks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/lostthought.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-7806" title="lostthought" src="http://poeticks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/lostthought.jpg" alt="" width="236" height="56" /></a></strong></p>
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<p> &#8221;Lost in thought&#8221; is the simplest explication of this, but a better reading focuses on thought that is opposed, disrupted, damaged and finally sent in the wrong direction back to its futile beginning.  With &#8220;ugh&#8221; and &#8220;tough&#8221; being disconcealed in the process further to suggest the losing struggle for meaning expressed.   In short, a deft pwoermd.  A visuaol one as well as infraverbal because you can see the word&#8217;s letters metaphorically enacting the struggle.</p>
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		<title>Entry 652 &#8212; An Infraverbal Poem by Hal Johnson</title>
		<link>http://poeticks.com/2012/02/11/entry-652/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 05:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bob Grumman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; Here&#8217;s an infraverbal poem&#8211;actually a visio-infraverbal poem&#8211;Hal Johnson posted at New-Poetry:       I&#8217;ll leave it for now as a puzzle.  Tomorrow I&#8217;ll reveal why it&#8217;s a first-rate poem.  . Cash Advance Payday Loans]]></description>
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<p>Here&#8217;s an infraverbal poem&#8211;actually a <em>visio</em>-infraverbal poem&#8211;Hal Johnson posted at New-Poetry:</p>
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<div> I&#8217;ll leave it for now as a puzzle.  Tomorrow I&#8217;ll reveal why it&#8217;s a first-rate poem.</div>
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		<title>Entry 647 &#8212; &#8220;The Four Seasons&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 05:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bob Grumman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s another of my earlier visual poems: The clever bit was the upside-down m.  . Herbal Formulas]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">Here&#8217;s another of my earlier visual poems:</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><a href="http://poeticks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/TheFourSeasons2.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-7739" title="TheFourSeasons" src="http://poeticks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/TheFourSeasons2-e1328407030435.jpg" alt="" width="466" height="851" /></a>The clever bit was the upside-down <em>m</em>. </p>
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