Archive for June, 2010

Entry 146 — Discussing Mathematics and Poetry

Wednesday, June 16th, 2010

Gregory Vincent St. Thomasino has been blogging about mathematics and poetry at his Eratio blog.  When he told me about it on the phone yesterday,  I said I’d check it out, which I’ve now done.  I left my first comment on it.  Fortunately, for once I cut what I said before hitting the button telling his blog to accept it, for my post got rejected.  I’ll try in a little while to post it again.  Meanwhile I want to post it here, to make sure it’s somewhere, and because maybe one of my two regular visitors doesn’t also read Gregory, or misses posts to it because it’s irregular, which is my excuse.

Hi, Gregory.  I’ve decided to tear into your commentary on mathematics and poetry Very Slowly, one idea at a time, to facilitate coherence.

I’ll begin with your statement that “Already (‘mathematical sentence’) (you’re) thinking analogically.”

This is where you and I first disagree, for (as revealed in our long & interesting phone conversation of yesterday) I believe numerals and mathematical symbols are part of our verbal language, just as, in my opinion, typographical symbols for punctuation or to abbreviate are.  The mathematical symbol, “+,” for instance, is just a different way of writing, “plus,” or “&.”  It therefore follows that for me, a mathematical equation is a literal sentence differing from unmathematical sentences only in the words in it.  “a – b = c,” for instance, is a very simple sentence and not significantly different from, “Mary cried when she lost her lamb.”

Obviously, it’s just a case of your opinion versus mine, but I think acceptance of my opinion makes more sense, because it keeps thing more simple than your does.  I would say that what most people mean by “words” are “general words,” while words like “sineA” or “=” are “specialized words” or mathematical words–like punctuation marks.

I think in my linguistics, these “words” are all called “textemes,” But it’s been a while since I read Grumman on the matter, so I’m not sure.

Hey, I found a glossary in which I define many terms like “texteme.”  It’s not a word but a typographical symbol: “any textual symbol, or unified combination of textual symbols–letters, punctuation marks, spaces, etc.–that is smaller than a syllable of two or more letters: e.g., ‘g,’ ‘&h(7:kk,’ ‘GH,’ ‘jd.’”  I coined the term for discussion of various odd kinds of symbols and symbol-combinations like some of those among my examples that not infrequently occur in visual or infraverbal poems.

So, I don’t have a special term for word, as I define it.  Yet.

To continue my argument in favor of my take on mathematical expression as an extension of verbal expression, not something different in kind, I would saimply ask what is special about mathematical symbols that should require us to think of them as elements of a special kind of expression?  They do nothing that ordinary verbalization can’t do, although they do it more clearly, compactly and elegantly.

Graphs would be mathematical expression–a form of visio-conceptual expression, as is written music.  Chemical diagrams but not chemical notation. . . .

I don’t see that there’s any difference between the syntax of mathematical expression (other than graphs and probably other similar things I’m not into Math enough to think of right now) and normal verbal expression.  There’s no inflection, I don’t think, in mathematical expression.  Which is a triviality.

Conclusion: we need a carefully formed taxonomy of human modes of expression.

Entry 145 — Poetry as a Profession

Friday, June 11th, 2010

Is there any profession that pays as little as poetry?

Is there any profession that scorns its most adventurous practitioners as much as poetry?

Entry 144 — Visual Poetry as a Serious Occupation

Friday, June 11th, 2010

I’m still in the null zone but will try to answer an important question for people starting out as visual poets who want to know how to get somewhere in the field, in whatever manner–because I often think about this, have written about it many times (albeit only semi-effectively), and was asked by someone about it recently.

First of all, I need to admit that I’ve never come close to figuring out the answer to the question brought up by most would-be poets or artists of any kind, which is, “How do I make it as a visual poet?” meaning–usually–how do I get the reputation I merit, and possibly some financial reward for my visual poetry?

(Those of you who are well-enough off–probably as a tenured English professor–to be above money concerns, and in are satisfied with the esteem of those in your literary clique–need not read further.)

My preliminary answer: I have absolutely no idea despite having been a Serious Poet (i.e., a published poet) for forty, and a Serious Visual Poet for thirty years.  I have gotten a reputation as a visual poet, but only among other visual poets, and who knows how much they value my work.  Even in the minute world of poetry-as-a-whole, I remain close to unknown.  I’ve never gotten any kind of award for poetry, or paid more than a few dollars for a poem except for two framed, hangable poems–i.e., as a visual artist.

To continue discussing myself–because I think it the easiest way to answer the question, I began as a playwright.  Not getting anywhere in that field, and always having been a sometime poet of sorts, I thought it’d be much easier to break into poetry than into playwriting, and that perhaps I could establish myself as a poet, which should heop me be taken seriously as a playwright.  That’s LESSON NUMBER ONE: start at the bottom, poetry and short-story-writing seeming to me the bottom because poems and short stories are the easiest things to get published.

Among the easiest poems to get published in 1970 were haiku.  I’d always liked them, and had some on hand, so tried them on a few haiku magazine publishers.  LESSON NUMBER TWO is get a copy of the Dustbooks Directory of Small Presses.  Look up the publishers of your kind of poetry, buy copies of their magazines, and send work to the ones whose selections you like.  LESSON NUMBER THREE, is try to get into a correspondence with some of the editors of magazines you like.  Starting with a fan letter, preferably a sincere one, will help.  That’s something I did.  As a result, one haiku editor sent me comments on my rejected haiku, including suggestions for improvement.  I followed her suggestions, mostly agreeing with them, until established enough to go my own way when I thought I should.

Eventually, I found the addresses of a few publishers of concrete poetry, and started corresponding with the editor of one, sending him not poems but criticism of some poetry in his magazine.  We hit it off.  He asked for more essays.  At length, I tried some visual poems on him.  Meanwhile, he gave me the name and address of another visual poetry publisher.  I got into a good correspondence with him, too, but couldn’t break into his magazine for two or three years.  Both of these guys told me about others in the field, so I was soon corresponding with quite a few visual poets, many of whom also were editor/publishers.  I then went to a gathering of visual poets.  After that, I was an established visual poet.  In the BigWorld, that meant nothing, though.

Oh, I also early on started my own press, having been able to buy a Xerox with money a grandmother had left me.  I published a lot of stuff, which no doubt helped me make friends although I did it–really–because I wanted to get deserving things in print no other publisher would publish.

I still don’t understand why no visual poet has made it big, meaning gotten a reputation and access to money like Robert Haas, say.  Several people have made money from visual poetry–Jenny Holzer, for one–but as visual artists not visual poets (and with mostly poor work).

Anyway, I kept internetting.  One of my friends in the field had enough clout to help me get paying gigs as a critic once or twice, and into a reference book he edited; another got me into the Gale Contemporary Authors Autobiographical Essays series.

In the mid-nineties, I became active on the Internet, and got a few gigs all on my own by responding to announcements of exhibitions, anthologies, reference books needing entries.

Exhibitions.  For visual poets, that is important.  I’ve been in a few exhibitions, mainly because I knew the right people–fellow visual poets who were able to set up group shows.  It all boils down to INTERNETTING.  There are always mail art shows going on, too, that it’s worth contributing to if you’re more prolific than I.  They get the name around.

Now that the Internet is here, one should use it as much as possible.  Having a blog is inexpensive, and worthwhile for all kinds of reasons.  A few people may go to it.  The only poem of mine that ever got into a textbook (where it was mislabeled a visual poem) was seen at my blog.  (I was supposed to be paid with a copy of the textbook, but the creeps never sent me a copy or replied to my queries about the matter.)

A blog can also give you writing exercise, and let you try out rough drafts.

You might also join poetry discussion groups like Spidertangle, which is primarily for visual poets.  Good for internetting, for news of anthologies and shows, etc.

I’ve also tried local poetry readings and met some nice people, but haven’t furthered my career, at all.  I’ve found it a waste of time trying for grants like the Guggenheim.  No visual poet I know has gotten one for his poetry.  John M. Bennett managed for a few years to get a grant for his magazine, Lost & Found Times.  Canadians have made out pretty well with government grants, one of them getting two grants, one for himself as himself and one for himself under one of his many pseudonyms.

Of course, I’ve no doubt made things difficult for myself by being as combative as I’ve been in many of my essays, and posts to discussion groups.   I don’t believe in astrology but like to say I’m a victim of Moon in Aries, which makes me that way.  I’m a natural pop-off artist.  I do control myself much of the time, and am also naturally able to make fun of myself, so aren’t as loathed as I might otherwise be.  I actually thought that being outrageous might help me, as it has others.   It hasn’t.  Possibly because I’m often on everybody’s wrong side.  For instance, a vocifeorous believer in the value of visual poetry, which offends conventional poets, while also a vocifeous believer that textual designage is not visual poetry, which offends most visual poets.

Note: I’m much less aware of the current scene now than I was ten years ago.  I’m to the point where I’m more concerned with finishing Important Projects of mine than getting anywhere socio-economically.  I rarely publish anything anywhere but here at my blog–unless solicited by a friend.

I don’t think I’ve said much but can’t right now think of anything to add.  I hope what I’ve said is useful to someone.  I’ll be glad to answer any questions.  I’d particular like to hear from people with other ideas on how to get ahead.

Oh, and yes, it’s quite possible that one will get ahead automatically if one’s work is good enough.  Mine may not be.  However, I can’t accept that the entire field of visual poetry is deservedly as marginal as it’s been since ints inception–at least in the United States. In many South American countries and perhaps elsewhere, it seems to be taken much more seriously.

Entry 143 — Taxonomical Update

Friday, June 11th, 2010

I toppled back into my null zone a couple of days ago.  Don’t feel like writin’ nuttin’ but have something too important not to make public right now.  It has to do with my recent taxonomy.  I want to add that “propaganda” is now a rank under “Sociodominance,” and “information” a rank under “Utilitry.”  I want also to put “war” and  “politics” under “Sociodominance,” and add “play” to my Phylum.

“Play,” by the way, breaks down into “games” and “pretense.”  “Games” I define as activities without connection to any other member sharing the category “games” is in whose participants follow rules and pursue some goal the attainment of which is considered victory.  I can’t remember the details of Wittgenstein’s demonstration that “games” could not be defined, but believe I have definied it.  Metaphoric use, or misuse of the term notwithstanding.   “Pretense” is unserious participation in any of the activities in my Phylum, by “unserious,” meaning that no knowledgeable person would consider the activity to be in any significant way the “real thing”–children playing house, for instance.

I also have a new long division mathemaku to bring to the world’s attention.  I won’t even draw it, it’s so lame: actual salt (glued to the page) divided into “NaCl” gives you “naming” with a subdividend product ot “salt” and a remainder of “science.”  This is lame because it’s just the statement of an opinion, to wit: “By naming the real substance, salt, you get the word, “salt,” which is equal, when “science” is added to it, to was salt esentially is, which, it is implied, is more than what it is as a substance.   The only reason I bother to post the poem at all is because it reverses the standard belief that real things are more than the words for them.  For me, words are more than their referents.

Entry 142 — Notes on Yesterday’s Entry

Wednesday, June 9th, 2010

Here’s yesterday’s entry again, with explanatory notes added in Italics:

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Anthrocentric Reality

It’s up to each individual taxonomist what he wants to classify.  In this case,  it was the universe we human beings are at the center of–and there is such a universe.  I had at first thought to taxonomize all of reality, but gave up after all the problems I ran into–for instance,
What to do with biological taxonomy, which takes many ranks to get down to where I more or less start.

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Universe: Matter

Other Universe Member: Mind

Yes, Children, the universe consists of two things, mind and matter (or matter/energy).  But there are two ways of saying this: one is to say the two are two things; the other is to say the two are two aspects of one thing.  The meaning of each way of putting it is identical.  (I assume that mind and matter are inseparable since a universe of mind not in contact with matter in some way would be empty, and for all practical matters non-existent.)
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Domain: Life

Other Domain Member: Non-Life

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Kingdom: Human Life

Other Kingdom Member: Non-Human Life

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Phylum: Mentascendancy

Other Phylum Members: Survival, Utilitry, Reproduction, Sociodominance

By “mentascendancy,” I mean basically the pursuit of meaningfulness.  Utilitry is the endeavor to make survival easier and more secure–medicine, roadmaking, farming . . .  Sociodominance my bias against politics causes me to consider not a form of mentascendancy; it’s a combination of most human beings’ need to either tell others what to do or be told what to do.  (Warmaking, incidentally, can be either a form of sociodominance or of utilitry–or a combination of both.)

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Class: Art

Other Class Members: Verosophy, Religion

Verosophy is the search for significant truths.  So is Religion my bias against religion caused me to make verosophy the use of reason and one’s senses in the search for significant truths, and religion the use of reason and one’s sense’s and faith in things beyond reason and one’s senses in the search for significant truths.

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Order: Literature

Other Order Members: Visimagery, Music, Viscerexpression

“Visimagery” is my term for visual art; by “viscerexpression,” I mean all forms of giving sensual pleasure other than literature, music and visimagery, such as cooking (where it is not a form of utilitry), perfume-making, and so on

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Family: Poetry

Other Family Member: Prose

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Genus: Plurexpressive Poetry

Other Genus Member: Linguexpressive Poetry

“Plurexpressive” is a shortening of “plurally expressive,” “linguexpressive” of “linguistically expressive.”

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Species: Visual Poetry

Other Species Members: Sound Poetry, Mathematical Poetry, Performance Poetry, Others

I’ll need help with the other members of this species, such as cyber poetry.


Entry 141 — The Location of the Species, Visual Poetry

Tuesday, June 8th, 2010
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Anthrocentric Reality


Universe: Matter

Other Universe Member: Mind
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Domain: Life

Other Domain Member: Non-Life

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Kingdom: Human Life

Other Kingdom Member: Non-Human Life

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Phylum: Mentascendancy

Other Phylum Members: Survival, Utilitry, Reproduction, Sociodominance

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Class: Art

Other Class Members:  Verosophy, Religion

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Order: Literature

Other Order Members: Visimagery, Music, Viscerexpression

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Family: Poetry

Other Family Member: Prose

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Genus: Plurexpressive Poetry

Other Genus Member: Linguexpressive Poetry

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Species:  Visual Poetry

Other Species Members: Sound Poetry, Mathematical Poetry, Performance Poetry, Others

Entry 140 — Taxonomic Omission

Monday, June 7th, 2010

Weird.  In my long dissertation on where visual poetry fits in my taxonomy, I left out a major level of categories, the one in which I divide poetry into linguexpressive and plurexpressive poetry, the first containing nothing but words, the other using other modes of expression as well.  So visual poetry is not a subcategory of poetry, but a subcategory of plurexpressive poetry–along with poetries like mathematical, sound and performance poetry.  This is weird because this level of the system is the one I’ve worked the longest on and am proudest of.  It’s also where conventional poetry “breaks down.”

Oh, the rationale for having this layer is that I believe the main difference between current poetries is that some are words only, some more than words.  I consider the split into these two kinds of poetry, in fact, the one truly revolutionary occurrence in poetry since the split into formal verse and free verse.   Same standard response: the new kind isn’t poetry.  Yeah, that’s the way I respond to the alleged split of visual poetry into verbal visual poetry and averbal visual poetry.  I would have the same response to music’s being said to split into auditory music and silent music.  Sometimes it’s better to be reactionary than idiotic.

Entry 139 — Politicking for My Definition of Visual Poetry Again

Sunday, June 6th, 2010

I feel my definition of visual poetry is set.  My task for years has been to convince others how sensible that definition is.  So today I’m having another go at getting the vispo public behind me.

It seems to me that to properly define a term, one must do it systematically.  The first step, then, would be to find some large, significant category to place the term in.   To orient you to my thinking, let me say that the initial category would be, simply, “Reality.”  I would divide that into “Mind” and “Matter” (and forget about the first because I believe a category containing just one item–with no subcategories under it).

Note: I consider it mandatory that each category split into as few categories immediately below it as possible, preferably just two, and more than three as little as possible.  Simplicity is the goal.

To try to avoid getting too confusing, let me now jump several levels down the system to what I call “Human Expression,” the subcategories of which are Visual, Auditory, Tactile, Gustatory, Olfactory and Verbal Expression.  The latter of these is understood to be the use of words, and Auditory and Visual Expression to be visual and/or auditory expression of everything but words.  I believe that verbality is almost a sixth sense–that we perceive things verbally sometimes–verbally only!  Visual expression is the use of “visimagery,” as I call it, or painting, drawing, sculpture, the dance.  Auditory expression is music.  Tactile expression would be petting, love-making, and the like.  I don’t really think there is much gustatory or olfactory expression but suppose a great chef expresses himself in his cooking, as might some creator of scents.  Actually, I see no reason why someone might not make an artwork out of scents–a kind of music in which scents replace sounds.  Difficult in the past but perhaps simple with computers, either now, or in the not distant future.

At this point we need, in my opinion, to distinguish our kinds of expression in one other way.  Otherwise, my experience has shown, things get taxonomically confusing at the lower levels of the system.  We have to distinguish kinds of expression according to their intention.  Some expression is clearly informative only,  some aimed entirely at giving pleasure (music, for example), and some–in my view, significantly different from these two in being neither primarily informative nor entertaining, but in being designed to persuade.  In short, we have information, art and propaganda.

I place literature under art.  It is a form of verbal expression intended (mainly) to give pleasure.  Note well my “(mainly).”  None of these categories is for information, art or propaganda only, but just for one of those things more than for anything else.

There are, in my system, two kinds of literature, prose and poetry.  I think almost everyone agrees to that.  The problem is defining the two.  This I’ve done to my satisfaction if not to that of many others.  Most poets, for instance, are nulliguists who refuse to accept that their sacred art can be, gasp, defined.

At which point I suppose I need to define “defining.”  It is not saying what some X is so well that everyone must agree that anything called an X indeed is, and that there is nothing not called an X that should be.  It is not saying that an absolutely valid definition of anything is possible.  What it is saying is that everything whatever can be defined sufficiently rigorously for all sane persons to agree that it is sufficiently well-defined to be employed to communicate to any sane person knowing the language used for the definition to know what is being represented well enough for his needs, whatever they are. A simple example: if I define my house as the green structure located at 1708 Hayworth Road in Port Charlotte Florida, it will allow anyone who wants to who can speak or read English to get to my house and recognize it.

It is sometimes difficult to define something more complicated in such a way as permanently to avoid confusion.  I simply say that it ultimately is, and that the fact that many definitions are inadequate does not make the process futile, nor does the fact that nullinguists will always refuse to accept definitions, or the fact that the majority of people use the language badly, and reject rational definitions.

Okay, we’re to my definition of “poetry.”  It’s simple: poetry is literature that makes significant use of flow-breaks such as lineation.  Defining flow-breaks is hairy and I’m going to skip it here as not relevant to the definition of “visual poetry.”  At the borblur that every definition must have between it and like things that are not it. subjectivity will always rule.  Hence what I said about no definition’s being absolutely valid.  The definition of many intricacies will always be tentative at borblurs, but sufficient for the use of the term in almost every important (and unimportant) circumstance.  (However many morons use words to try to convince us words are useless.)

I do want to say a little more about the use of flow-breaks to separate poetry from prose.  The division is artificial division, but it makes sense because almost every feels intuitively that poetry differs from prose in a major way.  Moreover, poetry is expected to be read slowly, all of its words meant to please as sounds and bundles of connotations unhurriedly savored as well as for what they denote, while prose is much more concerned with conveying meanings quickly, of being transparent, and lineations (and the other forms of flow-breaks in my system) must slog a read–while also clearly, rather emphatically signaling that the reader is in something different from ordinary literature.

With that, I’m finally to “visual poetry.”  (The great difficulty in persuading even the best readers of what one is saying about something like this is that close argument is unavoidable to the extent that one wants to be unassailably right.)  Visual poetry, at that most superficial level, is simply poetry that makes significant use of visual elements.

Remember that in my system, words are not visual, they are verbal (to the extent that they are used denotatively and connotatively and not as visual images that happen to have a verbal function in some contexts).

I place visual poetry under poetry because that’s the best place for it.  I arbitrarily presume that a person experiencing something more or less equally visual and verbal will attend to its verbal meaning more than to its visual meaning.  Words, for me, are the most important kind of human expression.  I believe that most philosophers would agree with me.  Anyway, it’s one of my dogmas.

Also, I’m speaking of visual poetry.  When a term consists of an adjective and a noun, the noun is taken to be the determinant, finally, of what it more is.

So, I place it under literature, not under visimagery.  Where else, I ask, might I place it?  The only possibility is not to place it but give it its own category.  I simply don’t think it’s different enough from previous kinds of poetry to rate a separate category.  It is like drama in this respect–drama is also a combination of the visual and the verbal yet considered a kind of literature, not given its own category.  To be fair, ballet, a form of auditory/visual art (but not drama because not verbal),  does seem to have its own category.  Although I would call it visimagery–visual art with a strong component of music.

I would only say, that giving visual poetry its own category makes sense, but that I just don’t like it.  As a critic of what I call visual poetry, I always discuss it as poetry before turning to what it is and does visually.  The words of a visual poem tell us its meaning, its colors and shapes are secondary to that.  With that I leave this phase of the argument, certain that a neutral observer would not be able easily to decide whether I’m right or not.

My need now is to deal with those who won’t accept that a “visual poem” need to have anything to do with “poetry,” in spite of my proceding arguments.  Such people want it to cover . . . well, Im not sure what–just about anything on paper someone wants to call visual poetry, it would seem.  One of my taxonomical problems with this is where to place this category in my scheme, or any scheme.  Is it literature, visimagery–or something that is neither.

My opponents in this controversy never say.  Basically, they merely say that visual poetry need not have words.  None has yet answered my frequent return question, “Why isn’t it?”  I can only repeat that I prefer a taxonomy with multi-element categories deferred as long as possible.  That is to say, I want to wait as long as possible before giving a category many sub-categories.  In this case, I want hold my art category to . . . four categories, visimagery, music, literature and visceraltainment.  Okay, dumb, but the best I can do right now.  I mean cooking, perfume-creation and the like all together.

Let’s keep all mixtures out of this level.

Whatever level we put visual poetry as just about anything on paper, it leave the need to subdivide it.  We will have to distinguish kinds of visual poetry.  The process has in fact begun with people defining “visual poetry” that lacks significant verbal content as “asemic writing.”  But they don’t say what “visual poetry” that has significant verbal content should be called.  Why not call it “visual poetry” in the first place, and this other stuff “asemic writing?”  Or “Textual designage” as I term it?

A pr consideration seems important to me here.  So much art called visual poetry that lacks words is being attacked by academics and average people for not having words.  It is understandable that people would expect words in something called a poem and be disappointed and frustrated at not finding them.  Why do this to them when you don’t have to? Why give them reason for ignoring everything called visual poetry because you don’t want to name it rationally?  This prevents them from coming to terms with both verbal visual poetry, which word-people may very well like, and textual designage by whatever name, which even word people might like if not coming to it with the idea that they need to be able to read it.

In self-defense against a common charge that anyone trying to define something intelligently is some kind of fascist, I want to say that obsession with convincing everyone that mine is the best definition of visual poetry has nothing to do with some kind of egotistical desire to impose my will on others but with a desire that the definition flow smoothly and logically out of a rational system–that it seem right not only considered by itself but as a piece in a larger whole.  Hence, it is that I sneak up on my definition beginning high above it with my definition of literature as a form of verbal expression intended to cause aesthetic pleasure (rather than intended to persuade or provide information, the two other kinds of verbal expression in my taxonomy of modes of communication).

Whew.  This turned out to be a monster of a job.  I don’t feel at all satisfied with how I’ve carried it out.  I am satisfied that I’ve made a pretty good start toward what I wanted to do.